tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31670799.post3189965022792530140..comments2023-11-02T09:44:15.693-04:00Comments on The Center for College Affordability and Productivity: Higher Ed. EntrepreneurshipCenter for College Affordability and Productivityhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18041956958538598371noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31670799.post-71725807761985647382008-07-01T13:48:00.000-04:002008-07-01T13:48:00.000-04:00Well, maybe the course is all you think it is. Th...Well, maybe the course is all you think it is. The vendor is welcome to try to persuade the university where I work to accept the credits. As you suspect, they do accept credits from a number of other educational "outlets". All of them have been vetted, and this provider could give it a shot, too. <BR/><BR/>You may think structuring things to be able to offer advanced courses leading to degrees in math (and many other subjects)-- which inevitably is a money losing proposition if you just look at the money flows -- is not a worthy activity. <BR/><BR/>Students who feel that way can avoid subsidizing the advanced courses if they want to go to the trouble. If they don't like the finances are structured here -- if they think the entry level offerings cost too much -- take the course at the local community college (where they will pay less than $399, though the actual cost of providing the course is higher, and probably higher than it actually is at my unversity); or take a CLEP exam. Some students do. That's fine with me. <BR/><BR/>If a student really wants to save money, assuming he needed to learn the material but didn't want to pay for a live course, here's what I might suggest: find one of the FREE online college algebra course/ tutorials on the web. It doesn't take long to find them. If you need a tutor, hire one of the locals at $10-15 per hour on an as-needed basis. <BR/> <BR/>As I said, the student taking an actual course here would pay about $500 in tuition. <BR/><BR/>For my money, that's a pretty good deal, better than a $399 online course (I love that $1 discount, it makes it sound like a discount outlet). <BR/><BR/>Again, as I say, the "college algebra" level courses here are always filled to the brim, there are more than enough people happy to sign up.<BR/><BR/>I really don't care if someone wants to make money with these online offerings, as I say, I own stocks in some for-profit educational ventures. (Reading about their legal troubles while the stock prices tumbled wasn't pleasant though). <BR/><BR/>What bugs me are the claims in blogs such as this that traditional higher education is some sort of ripoff, or that these entrepreneurs have discovered some sort of miraculous way to increase "productivity", or that the quality is higher than the traditional offerings at a lower cost. <BR/><BR/>I think it's mostly baloney.capemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00327687293859434403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31670799.post-30556562410235692572008-07-01T11:00:00.000-04:002008-07-01T11:00:00.000-04:00Will your university accept AP test scores for cre...Will your university accept AP test scores for credit? CLEP credits? Community college transfer credits? ACE credits? If any of these are true, your university is already accepting 3rd party credits where courses may be far less rigorous and supported that what’s offered here. <BR/><BR/>For your school, the tuition (does this include mandatory fees?) plus state subsidy is $750. The office hours may, or may not, be helpful to students. Office hours are notoriously inconvenient. So, your university charges twice as much for a course that may be less supported and convenient. The only justification is that this subsidizes higher level courses for math majors. While this is helpful for math majors, students not intending to be math majors may not want to subsidize that degree. Also, it seems like this program has “math pros” also. They are mostly masters degree and PhD holders. <BR/><BR/>Again, it seems like you are holding these courses to a different standard than what your university likely already accepts.edu4higherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10917714664198620202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31670799.post-38345183018808496342008-06-26T11:47:00.000-04:002008-06-26T11:47:00.000-04:00An in-state student would pay about $500. But the...An in-state student would pay about $500. But the student gets more than in the online course. i.e. there are real classes with a live instructor (including office hours, not private tutoring, but office hours with a real math pro). Not online tutoring @ $40/hr. <BR/><BR/>If the student wants or needs additional tutoring, that can be had around here for $10-$15/hr. <BR/><BR/>Of course, the course here is subsidized. The subsidy at this particular school for this particular level course is low, about $250. <BR/><BR/>But it's more complicated than that. Of course, the math department here is making money on this basically high-school level course, and they use the "profit" to subsidize higher level math courses. That is how they are able to offer a math major at the same tuition rate as the entry-level course. <BR/><BR/>The actual cost of "delivering" the entry-level course here is probably less than $400. It is a complete myth that online education is more efficient, at least at present. <BR/><BR/>Is the online course "better" than the live one offered here? People will differ on this. The "live" courses here are always filled to the brim. And there aren't many students pressing the university to let them take it online (and the students are fairly good here at pressing for what they want). <BR/><BR/>I'm not against online education, I own stocks in companies that offer it, but I think they are definitely very limited in what they can offer. <BR/><BR/>Most universities and colleges would not accept the credits for the online courses featured here. My university would accept some online credits, but not these. The company would have to convince the university -- basically, the math department -- that the course was comparable to the course offered here.capemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00327687293859434403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31670799.post-59570265330825275712008-06-26T08:58:00.000-04:002008-06-26T08:58:00.000-04:00But Capeman, what would the student pay at the uni...But Capeman, what would the student pay at the university you know best? What would the student pay if that course was unsubsidized? What does a student get for a comparably priced, online, general education course in today's higher ed system? This ventures seems to provide more instruction, more conveniently, and with content that is at least as good. <BR/><BR/>It seems to me that this venture may be worse than our idealized version of higher education, but is far better than the reality of most general education courses.edu4higherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10917714664198620202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31670799.post-41429996268046136762008-06-25T19:19:00.000-04:002008-06-25T19:19:00.000-04:00I may be wrong, but sounds like basically you get ...I may be wrong, but sounds like basically you get 10 hrs. of tutoring for $399 plus the book. (Included?) <BR/><BR/>For courses like "college algebra" (actually the material students should have learned in high school) you can get tutoring for far less than that, at the university I know best.capemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00327687293859434403noreply@blogger.com